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    Default So this past Saturday night the fucking police....

    I was having a birthday party for a friend of mine who is turning 20... There were two dj's from El Paso up to spin and party with us so the music was outstanding. There was a decent group of people but word got out and I spent a good part of the night out front turning people away and we kept having to kick people out who managed to get by when nobody was out there regulating. The cops had parked down the street and were out walking around once in a while but I'd also walked around and had adjusted the music so you couldn't hear it by the street. My house sets pretty far back from the street. Anyway, someone went out to smoke and left the door open so sure enough three cops end up at my door shining flashlights in and asking for the owner.

    So we shut down the music and I go to get rid of them. They said there was a noise complaint but I seriously doubt that, I think they were lying. So I say we will keep the music off and tell them to have a good night and start to go back into my house. Two of em rush around to block the way and ask where I'm going to which I say inside my house, now have a good evening and we will keep it quiet.

    One of em says he wants to run some tests on me because I seem impaired to which I reply that I am not going to submit to any kind of testing. He asks how much I've had to drink and I tell him that I don't drink and turn back around to go in. They grab me, cuff me saying that my behaviour is unpredictable and drag me out into the yard. Start peppering me with all kinds of leading and incriminating questions to which I just ignore and remain silent. Except for telling them my name, address and date of birth. I refuse to look into their damn flashlights and ask them to leave. One cop is harassing me when I see the other two just walk into my house. I tell the cop that they don't have permission to search and he says they are conducting an investigation... doesn't mention what for of course.

    They run everyone outside and shake em down, try to get them to say something incriminating but got nothing, they searched the house and there wasn't even a fucking can of beer for them to find. Nothing... So they start making bullshit threats, get all mad that everyone is seemingly fucked up but not a single shred of evidence then make up some bullshit story about getting a higher priority call and that we got lucky but they would put me in jail if they had to come back.


    So, I'm thinking about suing the city for violating my 4th amendment rights that deal with unlawful search and seizure. It would be applicable to everyone who was at the party too.

    Anyone had this happen to them?
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    i was once pulled outta a car and searched for no reason, they found cigs, weed, and a pipe (i was 17) my lawyer had a field day and got the pipe thrown out (1600 buck fine) but i still got screwed with the cigs and weed equalling 250 bucks, but my friends bailed me out and i paid all my court costs with the weed they didnt catch me with under my bed lol

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    get any video footage of any of it happening?

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    Um even if you were impaired and you were drinking and there was alcohol all over the fucking house whats the problem?

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    Eh, that's a tough one. They're going to say they smelled weed and since that's criminal, they had the right to investigate. (Your word against theirs, judge will side with them.)

    The fascists totally violated your 4th Amendment, but since nothing happened, I say file a complaint and leave it at that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyXIII View Post
    Eh, that's a tough one. They're going to say they smelled weed and since that's criminal, they had the right to investigate. (Your word against theirs, judge will side with them.)

    The fascists totally violated your 4th Amendment, but since nothing happened, I say file a complaint and leave it at that.
    I concur with UL, however, you need to balance out the fact that you have to live in that town, and if you do, sadly (from what you've posted about the cops in that town, and remembering how Southpark was) you will probably get harrassed night and day.
    Followed everywhere you go, them just waiting for you to stop on the white line @ a red light, not stopping long enough @ a stop sign, going 1 mph over etc..

    Imo, you should send an intent to file letter to them, our friend is good at writing those up, you should call and have a chat with him about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dicepticon View Post
    get any video footage of any of it happening?
    Unfortunately no. I should have stickam'd the damn party!!!!
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    Nothing will happen if you file a complaint. The department in charge of following through with those will find, at best, that the veracity of your allegations is "undetermined." It'll end up in a manilla folder somewhere, never to be seen or spoken of again.

    Although it's true that the cops will no doubt say the either saw or smelled something, you probably should bounce the situation off a lawyer, because what happened after you were stopped outside your home seems really suspect. The had the right to question you, and during that time, they had a right to briefly (that's the terminology the courts have used) detain you (even using force, if necessary, as wild as that sounds). But entering your home, or worse, conducting a search... I'd be very surprised if that held up. I dunno what state you're in, but out here in CA, I can't imagine that'd fly based on the situation as you described it.

    In any case, when you boil it down, unless you can get your story on the 11 o'clock news or know somebody influential, yeah, the cops can essentially do as they please anywhere and any time they please. As you know, the system will never take your word over theirs, and they'll always defend one another to the very last breath. For most cops, it's all about power, and in this situation, it just sounds like they wanted to dominate you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyXIII View Post
    Eh, that's a tough one. They're going to say they smelled weed and since that's criminal, they had the right to investigate. (Your word against theirs, judge will side with them.)

    The fascists totally violated your 4th Amendment, but since nothing happened, I say file a complaint and leave it at that.
    Well, once I told them to leave then they had no legal basis to remain on my property. They had no probable cause developed but they refused to go. There were two empty beer cans in a trashcan by the door but it was from the day before and all you could see from the side door was my kitchen and part of the living room. A few people and that's it. There was no alcohol, no drugs, no paraphernalia or anything. Unless a water or gatorade bottle constitutes probable cause because that was the only thing that I supplied for the party.

    What they did was an extremely stupid thing for a cop to do. If they get away with it then they might start to think that they are above the law.

    I'm going to get an opinion from my lawyer buddy on this one tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by betticus View Post
    Well, once I told them to leave then they had no legal basis to remain on my property. They had no probable cause developed but they refused to go.
    They could pretty easily articulate reasonable suspicion, which is all the criteria they'd need to meet to stick around until they were satisfied that they were unable to find probable cause, which is the criteria they'd need to meet in order to make an arrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 043 View Post
    Nothing will happen if you file a complaint. The department in charge of following through with those will find, at best, that the veracity of your allegations is "undetermined." It'll end up in a manilla folder somewhere, never to be seen or spoken of again.

    Although it's true that the cops will no doubt say the either saw or smelled something, you probably should bounce the situation off a lawyer, because what happened after you were stopped outside your home seems really suspect. The had the right to question you, and during that time, they had a right to briefly (that's the terminology the courts have used) detain you (even using force, if necessary, as wild as that sounds). But entering your home, or worse, conducting a search... I'd be very surprised if that held up. I dunno what state you're in, but out here in CA, I can't imagine that'd fly based on the situation as you described it.

    In any case, when you boil it down, unless you can get your story on the 11 o'clock news or know somebody influential, yeah, the cops can essentially do as they please anywhere and any time they please. As you know, the system will never take your word over theirs, and they'll always defend one another to the very last breath. For most cops, it's all about power, and in this situation, it just sounds like they wanted to dominate you.
    I did get the cop who was trying to question me to lose his temper. Just by not answering his questions, except for the ones I'm legally obligated to answer. He was pissed when I told him that I was not giving him my social security number. It was comical to the point where I'd have believed they were impersonating police officers.. badly.
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    ive been thinking of buying a flip cam, just for shit like that, cops have been off that chain ALOT lately..... like treal off that chain... soon as a cam is in view and others are around its insane how much a cops attitude changes......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 043 View Post
    They could pretty easily articulate reasonable suspicion, which is all the criteria they'd need to meet to stick around until they were satisfied that they were unable to find probable cause, which is the criteria they'd need to meet in order to make an arrest.
    When your illegal search turns up absolutely nothing then your ability to reach a "reasonable suspicion" comes into question. These weren't exactly the smartest people I've ever met and I've met quite a few very sharp cops. I'd have to lump these assholes in with ball players or people on bowling leagues. Not too high up on the food chain when it comes to intelligence.

    They don't even know what I do for a living... just my name and address and date of birth. All they were asking me about were alcohol and drugs over and over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dicepticon View Post
    ive been thinking of buying a flip cam, just for shit like that, cops have been off that chain ALOT lately..... like treal off that chain... soon as a cam is in view and others are around its insane how much a cops attitude changes......
    I seriously need to cam up my house and property and my ride too. Install some thousand watt HPS security lights so I can light up the whole place like it's high noon just for cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by betticus View Post
    Well, once I told them to leave then they had no legal basis to remain on my property. They had no probable cause developed but they refused to go. There were two empty beer cans in a trashcan by the door but it was from the day before and all you could see from the side door was my kitchen and part of the living room. A few people and that's it. There was no alcohol, no drugs, no paraphernalia or anything. Unless a water or gatorade bottle constitutes probable cause because that was the only thing that I supplied for the party.

    What they did was an extremely stupid thing for a cop to do. If they get away with it then they might start to think that they are above the law.

    I'm going to get an opinion from my lawyer buddy on this one tho.
    Why are you even talking about beer cans being visible, what the fuck does that have to do with anything on your property? Since when was it illegal to drink alcohol or even be drunk as fuck on your own property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicnerdanimals View Post
    Why are you even talking about beer cans being visible, what the fuck does that have to do with anything on your property? Since when was it illegal to drink alcohol or even be drunk as fuck on your own property?
    It's not, just that one of em mentioned it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by betticus View Post
    I seriously need to cam up my house and property and my ride too. Install some thousand watt HPS security lights so I can light up the whole place like it's high noon just for cops.

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    protip: they only walk into your house because you post about "1000 watt HPS security lights"

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    dont let them motherfuckers harass you dude not cool
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    but yea i agree dont make waves either juice not worth squeeze
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    cops, hate them until you need them. But mostly hate them. oh and they lie.

    oh and fuck the police.

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    So you are not in jail and no fines? Go on and sue the state lol.

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    The only thing you should ever say to police, "am I under arrest or am I free to go?" If they are trying to take your property (i.e. a camera) just say "You need a warrant to seize my property unless I am under arrest. Am I under arrest or am I free to go?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytcracker View Post
    dont let them motherfuckers harass you dude not cool
    I'm thinking of ways to reverse this.

    Those guys parked cruisers at both ends of my street till the sun came up. I'm sure they were thinking I'm some kind of drug dealer or something.

    One idea I had was to set up my living room with party lights, blacklights, strobes, etc... leave the music on just so you can hear it at the door.. have a bunch of people park cars in my driveway.. it can hold about ten or so cars. Then we all walk to the club just down the street.

    My lawyer just called, he said I need to go down to the police department and file a complaint with their internal affairs people. He mentioned that Las Cruces is getting out of control with civil rights violations and that the city is considering forming a civilian oversight committee to deal with it. He said a suit wouldn't go far because there were no real damages but that the illegal home search would raise hell with the city counsel.
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    One of those dumbass pigs will say that they say a "red solo cup that might have contained an alcoholic beverage" and that is all they need, if the door is open, and they can "see it" they are running in. Fucking cops...

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    do what you said a few posts up, make sure you've got a good audio+video setup outside/inside and just chill outside if you see them

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    that sucks dude...the police there suck...I'd back you up but I don't get back until like next month
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    thats really messed up because your like a nice guy and you were at your own home.. i think ou shoudl seriously go get a lawyer and pursue this, one of my friends had his house raided by the police by accident because they were supposed to raid the neighbors house and made a mistake as a result he was awarded somewhere in the ballpark of a million $, i know your incident wasnt as bad but it was still not proper conduct for the police.... you should contact a pro-bono lawyer who takes about 30% of your settlement but works for free and see what they can do.... im assuming you have witnesses from the party i think you have a case

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    Fuck The Police

    You're mad, you got screwed, their word holds more than your's (video would have been the payload), let it go. It sucks, but look at it this way, you ended up winning because nothing came of the mess (especially IF there was alcohol and weed/drugs around).

    Even more reason to hate cops and never trust them. Next time you will be prepared for such incidents of unreasonable search and seizure.

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    I say dont fuck with them let it be the more your fuck with them the more they fuck with you..

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicnerdanimals View Post
    The only thing you should ever say to police, "am I under arrest or am I free to go?" If they are trying to take your property (i.e. a camera) just say "You need a warrant to seize my property unless I am under arrest. Am I under arrest or am I free to go?"
    Very true, but more articulately (when dealing with cops) use cop terminology. Where as saying, "Am I being detained officer?" followed by "Am I free to go."

    It sets them back a bit when you know your shit and they kind of give up. At least in my experience. I've had many incidents with cops where I was completely clean and free and they pushed the issue attempting to trip me up. All the while I knew I was fine.

    I guess if you were dirty and nervous, you could easily slip up or fuck up something. One time the cop kept pressing the issue that I seemed nervous, and did I have something to hide? I was clean as fuck, but yes I was nervous. I fucking hate cops, they make me nervous because I don't trust them; and I used what I know. "No, officer, I do not consent to searches and seizure." "I am an advocate of the 4th Amendment." "Am I being detained officer?" Am I free to go?" And with that last question he said, "yeah, sure." Then I started up my car and drove away as he was standing next to it starring at me.

    Fuck cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aTTicus View Post
    Fuck The Police

    You're mad, you got screwed, their word holds more than your's (video would have been the payload), let it go. It sucks, but look at it this way, you ended up winning because nothing came of the mess (especially IF there was alcohol and weed/drugs around).

    Even more reason to hate cops and never trust them. Next time you will be prepared for such incidents of unreasonable search and seizure.

    This has probably been posted here before, but for anyone that has not seen it, it's educational to say the least.

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    LCPD are usually huge dicks and you know it Betti. PS August 8th barbeque for my friend who's coming back to America. They literally moved in behind the Hooters.
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    sue those fucking assholes betti

    that is complete bullshit man im sorry you had to go through that

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    I don’t know what’s more disturbing
    The fact that you almost got sodomized by the cops
    Or that you didn’t have any alcohol or drugs at your party
    Orrrr that you live in the shity town of las cruces next to the even shitttieer town of el paso
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    Yeah I don't understand, how come you didn't have any alcohol in your party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazed View Post
    Yeah I don't understand, how come you didn't have any alcohol in your party?
    It's not that we didn't have any alcohol but that by the time the police showed up every bit of consumable recreational substance had been ingested and we're pretty quick on the uptake on taking out the trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flesy View Post
    Cops can legally go inside your house if it's unlocked.
    No they can not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dicepticon View Post
    ive been thinking of buying a flip cam, just for shit like that, cops have been off that chain ALOT lately..... like treal off that chain... soon as a cam is in view and others are around its insane how much a cops attitude changes......
    In some states both parties that are being recorded have to be aware that they are being recorded or something like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Balls View Post
    LCPD are usually huge dicks and you know it Betti. PS August 8th barbeque for my friend who's coming back to America. They literally moved in behind the Hooters.
    Sweet.... I'll bring the midget hookers and five keys of blow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flesy View Post
    In some states both parties that are being recorded have to be aware that they are being recorded or something like that.


    check your local laws.
    Not in a private residence.

    And, to cover his ass, all he would then need to do is post a small sign near the front of his property stating that by coming onto the property, you may be recorded via audio & visual means, and that by continuing onto said property, you are giving consent to be recorded.

    Same thing for the house, small sign in the window.
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